I have given this question considerable thought and it turns out that the answer lies in which "we" one is talking about.
This video sheds some light on JP’s stance.
https://youtu.be/8aM2oUwGaQ4?si=t116ib8TVbmPSgOV
This video sheds some light on JP’s stance.
https://youtu.be/8aM2oUwGaQ4?si=t116ib8TVbmPSgOV